[News] Kushner’s Threat to Palestine: An Interview with Norman Finkelstein
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Kushner’s Threat to Palestine: An Interview with Norman Finkelstein
by Colter Louwerse
<https://www.counterpunch.org/author/colter-louwerse/> - August 20, 2019
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/*Norman Finkelstein is a leading authority on the Israel-Palestine
conflict. While most observers have proclaimed Jared Kushner’s ongoing
‘peace’ initiative to be dead in the water, Norman warns that it may
pose a serious threat to the Palestinians. In part 1 of this interview,
I spoke with him about what we can expect from the Kushner initiative
going forward.*/
*What is the end goal of the Kushner-led ‘peace’ process? *
The Trump administration hasn’t demonstrated focus or consistency at the
diplomatic level. But I don’t agree with all the talk that the Kushner
plan is “dead on arrival”.
The prime mover behind the Kushner plan is neither Israel nor the US.
It’s Saudi Arabia. Saudi covets an open alliance with the Israelis and
the US. It fears the Iran axis. It’s a feudal despotism largely impotent
on its own; it needs others to pull its chestnuts out of the fire.
Witness the Saudi debacles in Yemen and Syria. On a more immediate
level, there’s the Khashoggi affair—MBS (Muhammad Bin Salman) is
desperate to be rehabilitated in Washington. If Saudi enters into an
open alliance with Israel, even liberal members of Congress will forgive
his “indiscretions.” So the Saudis harbor strong motives to push through
the Kushner plan. The one and only obstacle to an open alliance with
Israel is the Palestine Question. If they can resolve it, or /appear/ to
resolve it, then it’s clear sailing.
What do the Israelis get out of it? They’ve already gotten from Trump
recognition of Jerusalem and the Golan as belonging to Israel. The
Kushner plan’s political component will almost certainly include
recognition of what’s called the “major settlement blocs” as belonging
to Israel. That’s about 10 percent of the West Bank on the “Israeli”
side of the wall. For now, Israel doesn’t want the rest of the territory
because it doesn’t want all those Arabs. It will be said by Trump
supporters, correctly, that the whole elite establishment in the
US—liberal to conservative, Democrat to Republican—has always supported
Israeli annexation of the settlement blocs.
However, recognition won’t be a huge victory for Netanyahu because the
Trump regime is too eccentric. It’s possible that if Trump is defeated
in 2020, the Democratic president will resume the status quo ante and
pretend the Trump years never happened. Then we’d be back to Jerusalem,
the Golan, and the settlement blocs having the same status as in prior
US administrations.
What would be a huge victory for Netanyahu would be an open alliance
with Saudi Arabia. It would spell the official end of the Arab League.
One of the core unifying elements of the Arab League was opposition to
Israel. The Gulf states will realign with Israel, alongside Egypt and
Jordan. Israel’s biggest diplomatic victories in the Arab world were
Camp David, 1978 (Egypt’s defection from the “Arab Front”), and Oslo,
1993 (the PLO’s de facto collaboration with the US and Israel). A
Saudi-Gulf open realignment would be Israel’s third big diplomatic victory.
*What does the United States stand to gain from this? *
The US motive has actually not been disguised. You have to pay attention
to the language; they call it the “/Deal /of the Century”. Trump, Jared
and Ivanka are business people. They don’t really care about politics
per se, except as a vehicle for personal enrichment. They just want to
cut deals. Jared sees the Gulf as chock full of real estate deals. It
could become his playground /literally/ for life as MBS, Saudi’s ruler
for life, would be indebted to Jared for life.
The Palestinians don’t have many options. In the case of Gaza, the
leadership has to show something for all the suffering in the Great
March of Return. The Saudis will be able to offer them, alongside
desperately needed funds, a partial lifting of the blockade. Israel
would probably go along with it.
The Palestinian leadership has only ever cared about squirreling away
money in their private bank accounts and paying the P.A.’s employees.
It’s always been a corrupt patronage system. (The likes of pathetic Saeb
Erekat also enjoy the pretenses and pageantry of power.) There was a
very calculated policy by the US over the past couple of years to
bankrupt the PA in order to soften it for the “Deal of the Century”. The
Palestinian Authority is now broke, and desperate. Abbas is just
bargaining as he says “No, No, No”; he wants to see how much money he
can wring out of Washington and Riyadh. PLO hack Hanan Ashrawi says that
the Palestinians can’t be bought for a “fistful of dollars.” True
enough; they demand two fistfuls.
None of what I’ve suggested is set in stone. Consider the
precursors–Carter and Clinton. Carter’s tenacity and grasp of
micro-detail during the Camp David talks in 1978 was terrifying. It was
said of Clinton that he knew every street in Jerusalem by the end of the
2000 (abortive) negotiations. To seal a deal does require that kind of
laser-like focus.
Is Trump or anyone around him capable of that focus? At some level
Saudi-US dollars can’t on their own set all the pieces in place. You
need people who are equipped to do the tough negotiating.
That’s the level where things might not fall into place. But at the
level of generality, all this talk about “it’s dead” and “Kushner is an
idiot”– well, he /is /an idiot but it’s beside the point because if you
look at the balance of political forces and the converging political
agendas of the main players, it’s possible.
*If the Trump administration is successful will the international
consensus on the two-state settlement erode? *
It will erode: once the dollars start rolling in, the Palestinians will
do whatever suits their bankrollers. But at some point a new generation
will undoubtedly emerge that demands the dignity of equality before the law.
The two-state settlement will then be over/./ If there is a resolution
along the Trump-Saudi-Israeli lines, at least one generation will have
to pass before a new leadership arises with a new vision, which will
probably be one state. I won’t be around to see it. John Brown didn’t
live to see the abolition of slavery. I will have been one link in the
chain, one rung on Jacob’s Ladder.
*****
*What can we expect to come out of the State of Palestine’s case against
Israel at the ICC? *
The ICC is a very corrupt place. The former chief prosecutor, Luis
Moreno-Ocampo, has been steeped in personal (sexual assault), political,
and financial corruption. The iniquity of the current chief prosecutor,
Fatou Bensouda, reaches back to her judicial role during the Gambian
military junta. Of late, she has been fighting tooth and nail not to
investigate Israeli criminality.
My guess is, initially, she feared being Goldstoned.^[1]
<#post-114222-footnote-1> She knew the Mossad would track down the
10,000 skeletons in her closet and she would end up like Richard
Goldstone. So she had a strong personal motive to quash the complaints
lodged against Israel in the ICC.
Then, an institutional motive emerged as US Secretary of State Pompeo
and National Security Advisor Bolton publicly declared that if the ICC
investigated the US or Israel, the Trump administration would destroy
the ICC. They were very blunt about it. And they’ve already set about
it. When Bensouda attempted to launch a preliminary examination of US
crimes in Afghanistan, she was immediately stripped of her US visa.
Every ICC member has a t-shirt that says, “I LOVE NEW YORK”. The US
message was clear: “Investigate Israel and you’ll never see Times Square
again.” It worked like a charm. The pre-trial chamber overruled Bensouda
and dropped the case.
On the other hand, a civil war has erupted in the ICC. There are forces
within it that have been pushing back as they demand that Bensouda
investigate Israeli crimes.
There are two referrals before the ICC now. One relates to the “Flotilla
Incident” (/Mavi Marmara/) in 2010, and the second is the State of
Palestine complaint relating mostly to the illegal Israeli settlements,
Operation Protective Edge (2014) and the Great March of Return
(ongoing). Bensouda has spent the past six years trying to bury the
/Mavi Marmara/ case. She keeps declaring the case closed but forces in
the ICC keep replying “No, you have to investigate Israel.”
The stakes are very high. If Bensouda closes both complaints without
even launching an investigation, its transparent that she’s completely
corrupt. But if she indicts on /any/ complaint, the US will set about
destroying the ICC. The book I’ve written demonstrates beyond reasonable
doubt that Bensouda has been whitewashing Israel. It poses two choices
to Bensouda: indict Israel or step down. There is no third option.
*But even if the ICC chooses to indict there is no chance that any
Israeli general is ever going to stand trial. *
Absolutely.
*So, many would say, What’s the point?*
It’s like the International Court of Justice (ICJ) advisory opinion in
2004, which declared the wall Israel has been building in the West Bank
illegal. It’s another weapon in the arsenal of the Palestinians in the
battle for public opinion. It would place on the public record that the
two leading judicial bodies in the world, the ICJ and ICC, have both
found Israel guilty of egregious international crimes. This is a
powerful weapon to persuade public opinion if and when a Palestinian
mass movement emerges that is truly committed to fighting the occupation.
*Notes*
1. After a UN Fact-Finding Mission led by the esteemed South African
judge Richard Goldstone concluded that the goal of Israel’s 2008-2009
Operation Cast Lead had been to “punish, humiliate and terrorize a
civilian population” in Gaza, Israel responded with a torrent of
personal attacks until Goldstone (but not his coauthors) recanted the
report, effectively destroying his career. ↑ <#post-114222-footnote-ref-1>
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