[News] We are witnessing the twilight of democracy
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“We are witnessing the twilight of democracy”
26.06.2015
*http://www.theeuropean-magazine.com/tariq-ali/10315-tariq-ali-on-european-democracy*
Instead of worrying too much about the extreme left and right, we should
focus more on the extreme center, says writer *Tariq Ali*. He spoke to
Creston Davis about the decline of democracy and German hegemony in Europe.
*Creston Davis: Mr. Ali, with regards to your most recent book, /The
Extreme Center: A Warning/, what are the characteristics that define
extremism in your opinion?*
Tariq Ali: For one, continuous wars—which we have now had since
2001—starting with Afghanistan, continuing on to Iraq. And even since
Iraq, it’s been more or less continuous. The appalling war in Libya,
which has wrecked that country and wrecked that part of the world, and
which isn’t over by any means. The indirect Western intervention in
Syria, which has created new monsters. These are policies, which if
carried out by any individual government, would be considered extremist.
Now, they’re being carried out collectively by the United States, backed
by some of the countries of the European Union. So that is the first
extremism. The second extremism is the unremitting assault on ordinary
people, citizens inside European and North American states, by a
capitalist system which is rapacious, blind, and concerned with only one
thing: making money and enhancing the profits of the 1%. So I would say
that these two are the central pillars of the extreme center. Add to
that the level of surveillance and new laws which have been put on the
statute books of most countries: the imprisonment of people without
trial for long periods, torture, its justification, etc.
*Davis: Normally we think of extremes on the far right and the far left.
In this case, you are articulating an extreme of the center. How did you
arrive at that analysis?*
Ali: Well, I was giving a talk and in response to a question on the
extreme left and the extreme right, I said that while these forces
exist, they’re not very strong—through the extreme right is getting
stronger. I observed that the reason the extreme right is getting
stronger is because of the extreme center, and then I explained it. So
that’s how the idea developed. The people at the talk were interested,
and so I developed it further and thought about it over the next months.
Many people were intrigued by it, and so I sat down and wrote this
little book.
*Davis: The book also addresses the “suicide of Western politics.” What
are the basic elements of that?*
Ali: It’s not just politics. Basically, we are witnessing the twilight
of democracy. I’m not the first to say it, and I won’t be the last.
Others have dealt with the issue. Peter Mair—alas no longer with us—who
used to teach at the European University, wrote a book for instance
which was published posthumously. Also the German sociologist Wolfgang
Streeck, who has been mapping what has been happening to democracy in
the European Union and elsewhere. I’ve developed from some of these
people’s writings the idea that the extreme center is the political
expression of the neoliberal state. That economics and politics are so
intertwined and interlinked that politics now, mainstream politics,
extreme center politics, are little else but a version of concentrated
economics. And this means that any alternative—alternative capitalism,
left Keynesianism, intervention by the state to help the poor, rolling
back the privatizations—becomes a huge issue. The entire weight of the
extreme center and its media is turned against it, which in reality now
is beginning to harm democracy.
*Davis: Do you think there is hope in the rise of Syriza, Podemos, Sinn
Féin and other Left political parties?*
Ali: Well, I think Syriza and Podemos are very, very different from Sinn
Féin in many ways, and so I wouldn’t put all three together. I would say
that Syriza and Podemos are movements which have come out of mass
struggles. In the case of Podemos, directly out of huge mass movements
in Spain, which started with the occupation of the square. In Greece, as
a response to what the EU was doing there, punishing it endlessly, for
the sins of its ruling elite. And so the response of the people was
finally to elect the Syriza government to take on the Troika and set
them up with a new alternative. Its future will depend very much on
whether they’re able to do so or not.
*Davis: Do you think they will?*
Ali: At the moment we have a critical situation in Greece. Even as we
speak, where there is an open attempt by the EU to destroy Syriza by
splitting it. There is a German obstinacy and utter refusal to seriously
consider an alternative. The reason isn’t even a lack of money, because
money swims around the EU coffers endlessly, and they could write off
the debt tomorrow if they wanted. But they don’t want to do so, because
of the election of a left-wing government. They want to punish Syriza in
public, to humiliate it so that this model doesn’t go any further than
Greece. We are seeing a struggle between the Syriza government and the
Troika—as well as the American side, the IMF—with very little room for
any compromise. In my opinion, Syriza has already gone too far.
*Davis: What would the latter choice look like?*
Ali: They could just say, “No, this is not a debt which has been
incurred by the Greek people. This is a debt incurred by the elite, and
the reason this debt has mounted is because our books were not in order
when we were let into the Euro currency, and the Germans knew that. The
whole of Europe knew that.” They could refuse to pay and chart a new
course. Whether they can do this on their own without the support of the
Greek people is a moot point.
*Davis: How has the idea of economics hijacking politics played out in
the European Union more generally?*
Ali: The European Union is a union of the extreme center. It’s a
banker’s union. You see how they operate in country after country,
appointing technocrats to take over and run countries for long periods.
They did it in Greece; they did it in Italy; they considered it in other
parts of Europe. So it’s effectively a union dominated by the German
political and economic elite. Its main function is to serve as a nucleus
for financial capitalism and to ease the road for that capitalism. The
other functions just irritate everyone: it’s undemocratic; decisions are
not made by parliament; the European Parliament is not sovereign. How
could it be when Europe is divided into so many different states? The
decisions are all made by the representatives of the different members
of the European Union, i.e. the governments of Europe, which are extreme
center governments in most cases. And so, the European Union has lost
virtually all of its credibility amongst large swaths of the European
population. In recent election in Britain for instance, the big point of
debate—among a few others—between the Labour and Conservative parties
was whether or not to have a referendum on Europe, whether or not to
allow people to state their choice, to vote on how they feel in relation
to Europe.
*Davis: And in other parts of Europe?*
Ali: Effectively, the EU is a very powerful bureaucracy, dominated now
by the German elite, which is backed by the rest of the European Union
members. If you go to former Yugoslav states, the Balkan states,
Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Slovenia, the situation is dire. Not to
mention Bosnia, which is just run like a colony. The way they used to
stand up and sing hymns to President Tito, they now salute the EU flag.
It’s a very strange transition that we’re witnessing in most of Europe,
and I don’t think it’s going to work. I think another crisis, which is
being predicted now and which will be worse than what we saw in 2008,
could bring the European Union down unless there are huge reforms from
within to democratize, to give more power to the regions, etc. If this
doesn’t happen, the European Union will fall.
*Davis: Many intellectuals here in Athens agree with you that the EU is
backed by the German elite. Some even go as far as to say that it’s
Germany trying to take control of Europe once again.*
Ali: I know this argument. It’s not invisible. It’s there for everyone
to see. But I think to compare it to the Third Reich is utterly
ludicrous. Germany is a capitalist state nurtured carefully and brought
back to prosperity by the United States, and it is very loyal to the
United States. I don’t even think the Germans enjoy full sovereignty.
There are some things which they cannot do if the United States doesn’t
wish them to do it. So, one cannot discuss Europe without understanding
US imperial hegemony, both globally and certainly in Europe as it
stands. It’s an alliance that the Americans control, in which the EU of
course has a great deal of autonomy, but in which it still is very
dependent on the United States, especially militarily, but not only in
that respect. So to blame the Germans for everything is an easy way out
for some of those suffering in Europe today. At the time of German
Reunification, it was no secret that Germany would soon become the
strongest political entity in the European Union. And that has happened.
*Davis: So it was inevitable that Germany would act this way?*
Ali: Any country in that position would exert its authority. The real
problem is the total capitulation of German social democracy to
capitalism, reflected and symbolized by actual extreme center coalition
governments in Germany, which have been in power for a long time and
still are even as we speak. That is the real problem: that there is no
serious opposition in Germany at all. And the Left party is divided.
There are huge political problems in that country, but German economic
power is something which was bound to happen. The way out of this
situation is through the further democratization of the European Union
and a changing of its structures. The current Eurozone is obviously
dysfunctional. And serious people within Germany and elsewhere know this
to be the case and know things cannot function this way forever. If
there is a Greek exit from the Eurozone, I think the German elite will
be quite pleased that they can then use that to restructure the Eurozone
and make it a zone where only strong countries are allowed in. There
would then be two tiers within the European Union, which is in fact
already happening. But you cannot simply get rid of German control by
raising the specter of the Third Reich. That’s ahistorical.
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