[News] Ex-CIA Collaborator: “The CIA’s Plans in Venezuela Are Far Advanced”
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Interview with Ex-CIA Collaborator: “The CIA’s Plans in Venezuela Are
Far Advanced”
<http://venezuelanalysis.com/printmail/10533>http://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/10533
<http://venezuelanalysis.com/print/10533>
March 25th 2014
/In a recent interview in Havana, a former CIA collaborator, Cuban Raúl
Capote, revealed the strategy of the CIA in Venezuelan universities to
create the kind of destabilizing opposition student movement the country
is currently facing. He also discusses media manipulation, and alleges
that one of the U.S. diplomats that President Maduro expelled
<http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10054> from Venezuela last September
was in fact a CIA agent. The following translation and notes were made
by Sabina C. Becker
<http://www.sabinabecker.com/2014/03/ex-cia-agent-reveals-how-venezuelan-students-get-putschist-training.html>.
Original interview in Spanish here
<http://www.aporrea.org/actualidad/n247624.html>. /
Raúl Capote is a Cuban. But not just any Cuban. In his youth, he was
caught up by the US Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). They offered him
an infinite amount of money to conspire in Cuba. But then something
unexpected for the US happened. Capote, in reality, was working for
Cuban national security. From then on, he served as a double agent.
Learn his story, by way of an exclusive interview with the /Chávez Vive
/magazine/,/ which he gave in Havana:
*/Q. What was the process by which you were caught up?/*
It started with a process of many years, several years of preparation
and capture. I was leader of a Cuban student movement which, at that
time, gave rise to an organization, the Saiz Brothers Cultural
Association, a group of young creators, painters, writers, artists. I
worked in a city in southern-central Cuba, Cienfuegos, which had
characteristics of great interest to the enemy, because it was a city in
which an important industrial pole was being built at the time. They
were building an electrical centre, the only one in Cuba, and there were
a lot of young people working on it. For that reason, it was also a city
that had a lot of young engineers graduated in the Soviet Union. We’re
talking of the last years of the 1980s, when there was that process
called Perestroika. And many Cuban engineers, who arrived in Cuba at
that time, graduated from there, were considered people who had arrived
with that idea of Perestroika. For that reason, it was an interesting
territory, where there were a lot of young people. And the fact that I
was a youth leader of a cultural organization, which dealt with an
important sector of the engineers who were interested in the arts,
became of interest to the North Americans, and they began to frequent
the meetings we attended. They never identified themselves as enemies,
or as officials of the CIA.
*/Q. Were there many of them, or just always the same person?/*
Several. They never presented themselves as officials of the CIA, nor as
people who had come to cause trouble, or anything.
*/Q. And who do you suppose they were?/*
They presented themselves as people coming to help us and our project,
and who had the ability to finance it. That they had the chance to make
it a reality. The proposal, as such, sounded interesting because, okay,
a project in the literary world requires that you know a publisher, that
you have editorial relations. It’s a very complex market. And they came
in the name of publishers. What happened is that, during the process of
contact with us, what they really wanted became quite evident. Because
once they had made the contact, once they had begun frequenting our
meetings, once they began to promise financing, then came the conditions
for being financed.
*/Q. What conditions did they demand?/*
They told us: We have the ability to put the markets at your disposal,
to put you on the markets of books or sculpture or movies or whatever,
but we need the truth, because what we’re selling in the market, is the
image of Cuba. The image of Cuba has to be a realistic one, of
difficulties, of what’s going on in the country. They wanted to smear
the reality of Cuba. What they were asking is that you criticize the
revolution, based on anti-Cuba propaganda lines, which they provided.
*/Q. How big was these people’s budget?/*/
/
They came with an infinite amount of money, because the source of the
money, obviously, we found out over time from whence it came. For
example, there was USAID, which was the big provider, the overall
contractor of this budget, which channeled the money via NGOs, many of
them invented just for Cuba. They were NGOs that didn’t exist, created
solely for this type of job in Cuba, and we’re talking thousands and
thousands of dollars. They weren’t working on small budgets. To give you
an example, at one time, they offered me ten thousand dollars, just to
include elements of anti-Cuba propaganda, in the novel I was writing.
*/Q. What year are we talking about?/*
Around 1988-89.
*/Q. How many people could have been contacted by these people, or
captured?/*
In reality, their success didn’t last long, because in Cuba there was a
culture of total confrontation with this type of thing, and the people
knew very well that there was something behind that story of them
wanting to “help” us. It was nothing new in the history of the land, and
for that reason, it was very hard for them to get to where we were. In a
determined moment, around 1992, we held a meeting, all the members of
the organization, and we decided to expel them. They weren’t allowed to
attend any more of our meetings. Those people, who were already coming
in with concrete proposals, and also preconditioned economic aid they
were giving us. What happened is that at the moment we did that, and
rejected them, we expelled them from the association headquarters, then
they started to particularize. They began to visit with me, in
particular, and other comrades as well, young people. With some they
succeeded, or should I say, they succeeded in getting some of them out
of the country as well.
*/Q. What kind of profile were they looking for, more or less, if any
kind of profile could be specified?/*
They wanted, above all at that time, to present Cuba as a land in chaos.
That socialism in Cuba had not managed to satisfy the needs of the
population, and that Cuba was a country that socialism had landed in
absolute poverty, and which, as a model, no one liked. That was the key
to what they were pursuing, above all, at that time.
/
*Q. How long were you an agent of the CIA?*/
We were in this initial story until 1994. Because in 1994, I went to
Havana, I came back to the capital and here, in the capital, I began to
work for the Union of Cultural Workers, a union which represented the
cultural workers of the capital, and I became more interesting yet to
them, because I went on to direct — from being a leader of a youth
organization with 4,000 members, to directing a union with 40,000
members, just in the city of Havana. And then, it gets much more
interesting. Contacts followed. In that period there appeared a woman
professor from a new university who came with the mission of
kick-starting the production of my literary work, to become my
representative, to organize events.
*/Q. Can you give her name?/*
No, because they used pseudonyms. They never used real names. And that
type of work, promoting me as a writer, was what they were very
interested in, because they wanted to convert me into a personality in
that world. Promoting me now, and compromising me with them in an
indirect manner. And then, in 2004, there arrived in Havana a person
well known in Venezuela, Kelly Keiderling. Kelly came to Havana to work
as Chief of the Office of Press and Culture. They set up a meeting. they
arranged a cocktail party, and at that party I met with 12 North
American functionaries, North Americans and Europeans. They weren’t only
North Americans. All of them people with experience, some also inside
the Soviet Union, others who had participated in training and
preparation of the people in Yugoslavia, in the Color Revolutions, and
they were very interested in meeting me. Kelly became very close to me.
She began to prepare me. She began to instruct me. I began to receive,
from her, a very solid training: The creation of alternative groups,
independent groups, the organization and training of youth leaders, who
did not participate in the works of our cultural institutions. And that
was in 2004-5. Kelly practically vanished from the scene in 2005-6. And
when I started to work, she put me in direct contact with officials of
the CIA. Supposedly, I was already committed to them, I was ready for
the next mission, and they put me in touch with Renee Greenwald, an
official of the CIA, who worked with me directly, and with a man named
Mark Waterhein, who was, at the time, the head of Project Cuba, of the
Pan-American Foundation for Development.
This man, Mark, as well as directing Project Cuba, had a direct link to
Cuba, in terms of financing the anti-revolutionary project, as well as
being involved in working against Venezuela. That is, he was a man who,
along with much of his team of functionaries of that famous project,
also worked against Venezuela at that time. They were closely connected.
At times it took a lot of work to tell who was working with Cuba, and
who was not, because many times they interlocked. For example, there
were Venezuelans who came to work with me, who worked in Washington, who
were subordinates of the Pan-American Foundation and the CIA, and they
came to Cuba to train me as well, and to bring provisions. From there
arose the idea of creating a foundation, a project called Genesis.
Genesis is maybe the template, as an idea, of many of the things going
on in the world today, because Genesis is a project aimed at the
university youth of Cuba. They were doing something similar in
Venezuela. Why? The idea was to convert universities — which have always
been revolutionary, which have produced revolutionaries, out of those
from which many of the revolutionaries of both countries came — and
convert them into factories for reactionaries. So, how do you do that?
By making leaders. What have they begun to do in Venezuela? They sent
students to Yugoslavia, financed by the International Republican
Institute (IRI), which was financed by USAID and by the Albert Einstein
Institute, and sent them, in groups of ten, with their professors.
*/Q. Do you have the names of the Venezuelans?/*
No, we’re talking of hundreds being sent. I spoke with the professor,
and watched one group and followed the other. Because they were working
long-term. The same plan was also in place against Cuba. Genesis
promoted, with in the university, a plan of training scholarships for
Cuban student leaders and professors. The plan was very similar. Also,
in 2003, they prepared here, in Havana, a course in the US Interests
Section, which was called “Deposing a leader, deposing a dictator”,
which was based on the experience of OTPOR in removing Slobodan
Milosevic from power. And that was the idea, inside the Cuban
university, to work long-term, because these projects always take a long
time in order to reap a result. For that reason, they also started early
in Venezuela. I believe as well — I don’t have proof, but I believe that
in Venezuela it began before the Chávez government, because the plan of
converting Latin American universities, which were always sources of
revolutionary processes, into reactionary universities, is older than
the Venezuelan [Bolivarian] process, to reverse the situation and create
a new right-wing.
*/Q. Did the CIA only work in Caracas?/*
No, throughout Venezuela. Right now, Genesis has a scholarship plan to
create leaders in Cuba. They provide scholarships to students to big
North American universities, to train them as leaders, with all expenses
paid. They pay their costs, they provide complete scholarships. We’re
talking 2004-5 here. It was very obvious. Then, those leaders return to
university at some time. They’re students. They go to end their careers.
Those leaders, when they end their student careers, go on to various
jobs, different possibilities, as engineers, as degree-holders in
different sectors of Cuban society, but there are others who go on
constantly preparing leaders within the university. One of the most
important missions of the university leaders was to occupy the
leadership of the principal youth organizations of the university. In
the case of Cuba, we’re talking about the Union of Communist Youth, and
the University Student Federation. That is, it was not to create
parallel groups at that time, but to become the leaders of the
organizations already existing in Cuba. Also, to form a group of leaders
in the strategies of the “soft” coup. That is, training people for the
opportune moment to start the famous “color revolutions” or “non-violent
wars”, which, as you well know, have nothing to do with non-violence.
*/Q. What were they looking for in a professor, in order to capture them?/*
Professors are very easy. Identify university professors discontented
with the institution, frustrated people, because they considered that
the institution did not guarantee them anything, or didn’t recognize
their merits. If they were older, even better. They didn’t specify. Look
for older persons, so you can pick them. If you send a scholarship plan,
or you send it and, first crack, they receive an invitation to
participate in a great international congress of a certain science, they
will be eternally grateful to you, because you were the one who
discovered their talent, which has never been recognized by the
university. Then that man you sent to study abroad, if you’re from his
university, and participating in a big event, and publish his works, and
constructing him a curriculum. When that person returns to Cuba, he goes
back with a tremendous curriculum, because he has participated in a
scientific event of the first order, has passed courses from big
universities, and his curriculum reaches to the roof, then the influence
he could have in the university will be greater, because he could be
recognized as a leading figure in his specialty, even though in practice
the man could be an ignoramus.
*/Q. And how effective were these types of captures, that type of
missions they came to accomplish here?/*
In the case of Cuba, they didn’t have much of a result. First, because
there was a most important reason, because I was the one directing the
project, and I, in reality, was not an agent of the CIA, I was an agent
of Cuban security, and so, the whole project passed through my hands,
and they thought I was the one who would execute it. And the plan always
passed through the work I was able to do, and what we did was slow it
down as much as possible, knowing right away what was being planned. But
just think, the goal of their plan, they were calculating for the moment
in which the historic figures of the Revolution would disappear. They
were figuring on a five- or ten-year term, in which Fidel would
disappear from the political scene, and Raúl, and the historic leaders
of the land. That was the moment they were waiting for, and when that
happened, I was to leave university, with all the support of the
international press and that of the NGOs, USAID, and all the people
working around the CIA’s money, and that there would arise an
organization which would present itself before the light of the public,
as an alternative to what the Revolution was doing. That is what was to
have happened with the Genesis Foundation for Freedom.
*/Q. What is that Foundation?/*
The Genesis Foundation for Freedom was to have a discourse, apparently
revolutionary, but the idea was to confuse the people. The idea is that
they would say they were revolutionaries, that what they wanted was to
make changes in the government, but, when it comes to practice, when you
get to the essence of the project, when you ask yourself “What is the
project?” the discourse was, and the project was, exactly the same as
those of the traditional right-wing. Because the changes they promoted,
were the same that the right-wing, for a long time, has been promoting
in the country. In practice, they almost had their big opportunity,
according to their criteria, in 2006, when the news came out on TV that
Fidel, for health reasons, was stepping down from his governmental
responsibilities, and they have always said that the Cuban Revolution
would die when Fidel died. Because the Revolution was Fidel, and on the
day Fidel was no longer there, either by dying or leaving government,
the next day the Revolution would fall. And they calculated that there
would be internal confrontations, that there would be discontent with
this or that. Calculations that I don’t know where they got them from,
but they believed it. And in that moment, they believed that the time
had come to act.
*/Q. We’re talking about 2006. What was the plan?/*/
/
They called me automatically. We met, the CIA station chief and I, here
in Havana. Diplomatic functionaries also showed up, and one of them said
to me, we’re going to organize a provocation. We’re going to organize a
popular uprising in a central neighborhood in Havana. There will be a
person going there to rise up for democracy, and we’re going to execute
a group of provocations, in different locations, in such a way that
Cuban security forces will be forced to act against these people, and
later we’ll start a big press campaign and start explaining how all of
this will function. The interesting part of that, what really caught my
attention, was this: How was it possible that a functionary of the US
Interests Section could have the power to call upon the principal media,
and that those people would obey with such servility? It was really
attention-getting. The idea was — and I even told them this — what
you’re telling me is just crazy. This man you mentioned to me, called
Alci Ferrer — the guy they picked, a young agent, a doctor — they picked
him to be the ringleader of the uprising. I told them, that guy won’t
budge anyone. No one is going to rise up in the centre of Havana. The
date they picked was none other than Fidel’s birthday, and they told me
that day! And I said, Look, buddy, if that man, on that day, decides to
go make proclamations, or to start some kind of uprising in the middle
of Havana, the people are going to respond harshly. It’s even possible
that they might kill him. Why, how could you put him in a humble
working-class neighborhood to start those things, the locals…And he told
me, flat out, the best thing that could happen for us is if they kill
that man, it would be perfect, and they explained to me what would
happen. All he had to do was provoke. They would go into the street, and
there would be a clash there. If that happened, the press would do the
rest, and they told me, we’re going to start a huge media campaign to
demonstrate that there is chaos in Cuba, that Cuba is ungovernable; that
in Cuba, Raúl is unable to hold the reins of government; that the
civilian population is being killed; that students are being repressed
in the street, and the people in the street, that the police are
committing crimes. What a resemblance to Venezuela! It’s not a
coincidence. It’s like that.
*/Q. So, what was supposed to happen in those circumstances?/*
Once all the opinion matrices were created, and all the media matrices
had constructed that image, the whole world was supposed to have the
image of Cuba as a great disaster, and that they’re killing the people,
that they are killing them all. Then, my organization was to complete
the final task.
*/Q. What was the final task?/*
Well, to gather the international press, in my capacity as a university
professor, and as a writer, and as a leader of that organization, that I
go out publicly to ask the government of the United States to intervene
in Cuba, to guarantee the lives of the civilians and to bring peace and
tranquility to the Cuban people. To speak to the country in the name of
the Cuban people. Just imagine that!
That plan fell apart on them. It gave them no result, but as you could
see, later, the way the war in Libya went, and the way it was set up.
More than 80% of the information we saw, was fabricated. They’re doing
the same in Syria, and they’ve done the same in Ukraine. I have had the
opportunity to converse with a lot of Ukrainians, since they were in the
bases. People in favor of uniting with Europe. I tried to talk with them
these days. Trying to find out, what are those processes like? And they
were surprised at the images which were transmitted around the world.
What happened in Miami, and they themselves said so, but we’ve been
protesting there, but those things that appear on TV, that was a group,
or rather, there were sectors, there were places where there were
right-wing groups, of the very far right, where there were incidents of
that type, and where they burned things, but the greater part of the
demonstrations didn’t have those characteristics. Or that this is, once
more, the repetition of the scheme, using all the communication media.
*/Q. The relationship between the CIA and the embassies, in the
respective lands, are they direct, then?/*
Yes, completely direct. In every embassy in Latin America, all the US
embassies have CIA officials, working within them, using the façade of
diplomatic functionaries.
*/Q. From what you know, is there a greater CIA presence in the region?/*
Well, at a certain moment, Ecuador was a major power in that, it had a
strong concentration of them, and of course, Venezuela, because in 2012,
when I attended the Book Fair in Caracas, all those people who had
worked with me against Cuba, all the CIA officials, including Kelly
Keiderling, were in Caracas at that time. And I was on a TV show, on
VTV, where we talked about this subject, being very careful, because we
were talking about two countries who have relations. That’s not the case
with Cuba, or rather, Cuba has no relations with the United States.
That’s a declared enemy. But we were talking about functionaries who had
diplomatic relations, and it was very awkward to do it, without having
concrete proofs you could present. However, the interview happened, and
the denunciation was made of what was going on. Kelly Keiderling is an
expert in this type of war. I have not the slightest doubt. When one
follows the itinerary she has, in the countries where she’s been, and
when I was in that type of conflict.
She has toured a series of countries in the world where very similar
situations have occurred, like what she tried to do in Venezuela. And
when you analyze Venezuela, and what has happened nowadays and the way
in which she has acted, I think that in Venezuela, the characteristic
that has been that they are tremendously aggressive in the manipulation
of the information. Tremendously aggressive. To the point where you say
it’s a blunder, because there are images which are so obviously not from
Venezuela. I saw a very famous one, in which a soldier appears with a
journalist, with a camera.They are Koreans. It’s an image from Korea.
They’re Asian. They don’t look like Venezuelans at all. Also, the
uniforms they wear. They’ve been very aggressive with that image which
has projected what’s going on in Venezuela to the world. The greater
part of the world’s people, this image is the one they’re seeing, of
what they’re trying to say.
*/Q. They control the media. Do you know any case of any journalist
which has been, as you have seen, known or unknown, which you have seen
in the process of training?/*
No.
*/Q. CNN, for example?/*
No, there was a guy who had a lot of ties to me at the time here, who
served as a link for meeting an official from the CIA., Antony Golden,
of Reuters. But, all right, he was an element independent of Reuters.
CNN has always been very closely linked to all these things. CNN, from
its first moments of operation, above all this latest step, and above
all, CNN en Español, has been an indispensable tool for these people,
but the problem is that you have to understand one thing: to understand
what’s going on, and to be able to mount a campaign, you have to
understand that nowadays, there is no TV station that acts on its own.
There are the conglomerates, and the communications conglomerates — who
directs them? Because, for example, Time Warner and AOL, and all those
big communications companies — cable TV, movie TV, TV in general — who
is the boss, in the end? Here it’s Westinghouse, there it’s General
Electric. The same who build warplanes, the same US arms industry, the
same people who are the owners of TV networks, movie studios,
publications, book publishers. So, the same guys who produce warplanes,
the cookie you’ll eat at night, that presents an artist to you, are the
same who rule the newspapers of the entire world. Who do these people
answer to?
*/Q. When you see what’s happening in Venezuela, and you compare it with
what you did here [in Cuba], what conclusion can you draw?/*
It’s a new strategy, which they’ve been developing based on the
experience they’ve had all over the world, but I see, I’m convinced,
that they’ve only gotten results when people in those places don’t
support the revolution. They managed it with Milosevic, because
Milosevic was a Yugoslavian leader whose image had fallen far, thanks to
things that happened in Yugoslavia. The same happened in Ukraine,
because Yanukovych was a man with very little popular support, and it
has given results in other places where the governments had little
support from the people. Wherever they have a legitimate government, a
solid government, and people disposed to defend the revolution, the plan
has failed on them.
*/Q. And what phase do they enter when the plan fails?/*
They’re going to keep on doing it, they’ll go on perfecting it. We are
the enemy. That is, Venezuela, Cuba, everything going on in Latin
America as an alternative. We are the dissidents of the world. We live
in a world dominated by capitalism. Where that new capitalist way of
being dominates, so that now one can’t even call it imperialist, it’s
something new, something that goes way beyond what students of Marxism
wrote in history years ago. It’s something new, novel. It’s a power,
practically global, of the big transnationals, of those megalopolies
they’ve created. Therefore, we are the enemy. We are presenting an
alternative project. The solution that the world proposes to us, is not
that. We know how to do it, and Cuba, Venezuela, the ALBA countries,
have demonstrated that it can be done, that one or two days more are
nothing. The Cuban revolution has been in existence for 55 years, and
with political will, it has achieved things that the US government, with
all the money in the world, has been unable to do. So that’s a bad example.
And I’ve told my students: Can you imagine that the Indignants in Spain,
the thousands and millions of workers out of work in Spain, that the
Greeks, that all those people in all the world, know what we’re doing?
Can you imagine that these people get to know who Chávez is? Or who
Fidel is? Or of the things we’re doing here? Or the things we’re doing
with so few resources, only the will to make revolution and share the
wealth? What will happen to capitalism? How much longer will capitalism
last, which has to spend billions of dollars, every day, to build its
image and fool the people? What would happen if the people knew who we
really are? What is the Cuban Revolution, really, and what is the
Venezuelan Revolution? Because, if you talked to a Spaniard and asked
him about Chávez, and he gives you a terrible opinion of Chávez, because
it’s what they’ve constructed in his mind/ And you meet an unemployed
person who tells you that Chávez is a bad guy, because the media have
convinced him of that, but if these people knew how things really were!
So they can’t allow that such formidable enemies as ourselves should be
there, at the door.
*/Q. From the viewpoint of the national sovereignty of our people, how
can we stop the CIA? We’ve already talked about the consciousness of the
people, which is fundamental in these types of actions, but, in the
concrete, how does one foresee the CIA’s work? What can be done? What
recommendations do you have?/*
I think of a thing that Chávez said, and that Fidel has always said,
that is the key to defeating the empire, and that is unity. It’s not a
slogan, it’s a reality. It’s the only way you have of defeating a
project like that. A project that comes from the Special Services and
from capitalism. One can only do it with the unity of the people.
*/Q. Are we talking about the civilian-military?/*
Yes, unity in all senses. Unity based in diversity, in the peoples, but
unity as a nation, unity as a project. Wherever the people are divided,
there is another reality.
*/Q. Where do they have to concentrate? In what area must they
concentrate forces to defend us from this type of actions, this type of
attacks?/*
The army to defeat that is the people. I believe that the Cuban
experience has taught that very well. There are experiences in the world
which mark you very clearly. What has happened in the world, when the
people have not been protagonists in defence of the Revolution? And when
the people have been protagonists, what happened? And there’s the case
of Cuba. We have managed to defeat the CIA and the empire millions of
times, because the people have been the protagonist.
*/Q. Does the CIA use the databases of the social networks, and that
sort of thing, to define their plans?/*/
/
They’re the masters. They’re the masters of that. Fine, there are the
denunciations of Snowden and all that has come out of Wikileaks, and all
those things that are no secret to anyone, because we suspected, but
it’s been demonstrated. It’s been demonstrated that the servers, the
Internet, are theirs. All the servers in the world, in the end, die in
the North Americans’ servers. They are the mother of the Internet, and
all the networks and services are controlled by them. They have access
to all the information. And they don’t hesitate to record it. Facebook
is an extraordinary database. People put everything on Facebook. Who are
your friends? What are their tastes, what movies have they seen? What do
they consume? And it’s a source of firsthand information.
*/Q. Have you been in contact with Kelly Keiderling, after what happened
in Venezuela?/*
No, I haven’t had contact with her. I don’t know what was her final
destination, after what happened (she was expelled from Venezuela
<http://venezuelanalysis.com/news/10054> for meeting with and financing
terrorists).
*/Q. With the experience she has, how far was she able to penetrate into
Venezuela, and Venezuelan universities?/*/
/
I am certain that she got quite far. She’s a very intelligent agent,
very well prepared, very capable, and very convinced of what she’s
doing. Kelly is a person convinced of the job she is doing. She is
convinced of the justness, from her point of view, of what she is doing.
Because she is an unconditional representative of capitalism. Because
she comes from capitalism’s elite. She is organic of the actions she is
doing. There is no contradiction of any kind. And, based on the
experience of her work, of her capability, I am sure that she managed to
get very far, and gave continuity to a job which is not just for now,
it’s a job she will go on doing for a long time, to reverse the process
in Venezuelan universities. What’s going on is that up to whatever point
they can reach, in the long term, that is what will show the Bolivarian
process, in the measure of which the people are aware of what could
happen. If that fascist right wing becomes uncontrollable, it could get
into power again.
*/Q. What kind of person who has contacts, who could reach the people,
such as by being an activist in a movement, could be captured by the CIA?/*
They will find them, they will try to do it. If it’s a young person and
a leader, they will try to capture them for their interests. We have to
train our leaders. We can’t leave that to spontaneity, we can’t leave
that to the enemy. So, if we leave them to the enemy, those are spaces
which the enemy will occupy. Any alternative project that we leave
unattended, any alternative project that we don’t realize the necessity
of getting close to, that is a project that the enemy will try, by all
means, to take advantage of. Using the enormous amount of money they
have for that, which has no limits, in terms of resources to be used,
because they are playing with the future and, above all, the young are
the key.
The good thing is that the young are the present of Latin America. The
Latin American revolution which is there, which is everywhere, is of the
young. If not, fine, it will never have results, and if you manage to
make young people think differently, if you succeed in getting these
youngsters to believe that savage capitalism is the solution to all
their problems, then there will be no revolution for Latin America. It’s
that simple.
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