[News] New Orleans Police Taser, Pepper Spray Residents Seeking to Block Public Housing Demolition
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New Orleans Police Taser, Pepper Spray Residents
Seeking to Block Public Housing Demolition
The New Orleans City Council has unanimously
voted to move ahead with the demolition of 4,500
units of public housing. Under the plan, the
citys four largest public housing developments
will be razed and replaced with mixed-income
housing. Hundreds of people were turned away from
the City Council meeting. Police shot protesters
with pepper spray and tasers. We go to New
Orleans to speak with two local community
activists and a former SWAT commander. [includes rush transcript]
Guests:
Kali Akuno, executive director of the Peoples Hurricane Relief Fund.
Sess4-5, a New Orleans Hip Hop artist and a
member of the Coalition to Stop Demolition.
Howard Robertson, retired major with New Orleans police.
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AMY GOODMAN: We are going first to New Orleans.
The New Orleans City Council has unanimously
voted to move ahead with the demolition of 4,500
units of public housing. Under the plan, the
citys four largest public housing developments
will be razed and replaced with mixed-income housing.
On Thursday, hundreds of people were turned away
from the City Council meeting. Some of the
protesters were shot with pepper spray and
tasered. Inside the City Council chambers, the
scene turned chaotic when police began making arrests.
PROTESTERS: Let the people in! Let the people in! Let the people in!
PROTESTER: Let those people in! Let them in! Let
them in! This is not Germany! Let those people
in! Let those people in! Theres seats right
there! Theres seats right there! Let those
people in! What is wrong with yall?
PROTESTERS: Let the people in! Let the people in!
PROTESTER: Aint no order until the rest our people get in here.
PROTESTERS: Let the people in! Let the people in!
AMY GOODMAN: New Orleans police also tasered
protesters inside the New Orleans City Council chambers.
PROTESTER: Theyre tasering us! Theyre tasering! Stop it! Stop it!
AMY GOODMAN: Police cited fire marshal
regulations to bar many protesters from attending
the meeting, but many housing advocates say there
were empty seats inside the council chambers.
Some protesters began banging on the gates to
City Hall to try to get in. They were met with
pepper spray and tasers. Eyewitnesses said one
woman tasered in the back collapsed in a seizure on the ground.
PROTESTERS: Let us in now! Housing now! Let us in
now! Housing now! Let us in! Let us in! Let us
in! Let us in! No justice, no peace! No justice,
no peace! No justice, no peace! No justice, no
peace! What do we want? Justice! When do we want
it? Now! What do we want? Justice! When do we
want it? Now! Let us in! Let us in! Let us in!
PROTESTER: Stop pushing my people!
PROTESTER: [screams]
PROTESTER: Let us in!
POLICE OFFICER: Get back!
PROTESTER: Let us in!
JUAN GONZALEZ: Police say at least fifteen people
were arrested on Thursday. New Orleans Police
Superintendent Warren Riley said the force was
needed after protesters tried to tear down the gate to City Hall.
During the hearing, members of the City Council
defended their decision to approve the demolition
of public housing. Councilmember Shelley Midura
described some of the protesters as demagogues
and terrorists. Midura said, The choice is to
either support redevelopment by approving
demolition or to reject redevelopment by denying
these permits. I am choosing to support what I
believe is the reasonable middle ground, a plan
to replace and reform public housing.
AMY GOODMAN: Were joined by three guests right
now in New Orleans. Kali Akuno is the executive
director of Peoples Hurricane Relief. We are
also joined by Sess4-5, a community activist. And
were joined on the telephone as well by Howard
Robertson; he is a retired major with the New Orleans Police.
We turn first to Kali of Hurricane Relief.
Describe what happened yesterday and why you were
outside and inside the New Orleans City Council.
KALI AKUNO: Yeah, well, Amy, I was outside,
because I was barred entry to the inside. They
made an arbitrary decision yesterday to cut off
the inside, when there were clearly seats that
were still available. I was getting
minute-by-minute reports as the events were
starting, as the proceedings were starting, that
there were still seats available, and they just
made an arbitrary decision to keep those of
usthere were probably about a hundred of us
still outside at that particular point in timeto
close the gates and to keep us outside. And from
there, events just really escalated, as they
particularlyas the folks who were on the inside,
from what I can seeand Sess can give you a more
detailed accountas the folks on the inside
started advocating for us to be able to actually enter into the building.
So, you know, they made a situation of trying to
control it and basically stifle and cut off any
vocal dissent or opposition to their decision. We
knew when we walked in, based on their comments
the past several days and based on how they had
been treating this issue the past two years, that
we were going to lose the vote on the basis
primarily of Clarksons new addition to the City
Council and that at the very least it was going
to be a four-to-three vote along racial lines. So
we knew what we were walking into. And we just
clearly wanted to make sure that our point was
heard, that we disagree with the plan towards
demolition and that we were going to stand fast
and fight this through the courts and through
other means as we moved forward. So they made a
decision to basically shut everything down and shut everybody else down.
AMY GOODMAN: And, Sess, what was happening
inside? Obviously, it was a seven-zero vote, but
could you talk a little bit about what was happening inside?
SESS4-5: Well, Ill definitely start with just
the process of entering the City Council
chambers. They changed the whole process for this
particular vote. And, you know, upon entering the
building, you know, they just made it hard for
all the Africans who was coming in the gate, who
was clearly identified as, you know, not
supportive of demolition. And so, they took other
measures of, you know, just searching people and
putting you through metal detectors and just
winding different people. And so, we just had
problems just entering the building. You know,
they closed the buildingthey locked the gates at
10:30, so that the proceedings started at 10:00.
AMY GOODMAN: Sess4-5, were you tasered inside?
SESS4-5: Yes, I was tasered. But just get inside
the building before the proceedings started, you
know, we just noticed they had a lot of seats
available, and the number of Africans in there
just were very few. And they just closed it off
right after we entered the building. So we was
asking, before they started the proceedings, to
let more people in, because they had a number of
seats that was identified inside of the council
chambers, and clearly there are moreif you can
see from the video, you know, it wasthey had run
all inside, all on the walls.
And so, when Reverend Sanders, you know, made a
plea, after Arnie Fielkow tried to start the
proceedings, he made a plea to let the people in.
And thats when everything really started, by
Arnie Fielkow trying to start the meeting without
properly letting all the people supporting us,
you know, opposing, inside of the chambers.
JUAN GONZALEZ: Howard Robertson, youre a retired
major with the New Orleans Police Department.
From what youve heard and seen of what happened
yesterday, is this unprecedented in a City Council meeting in New Orleans?
HOWARD ROBERTSON: No, its not. Of course, things
certainly got out of hand yesterday, but this is
not the first time theyve had trouble over this
issue in the City Council chambers. And usually
when things getstarting to get riled and
unorderly, and they cant hold a meeting in the
normal wayif youre familiar with the City
Council meeting, people take a number, they sign
a page that they want to speak in protest, and
theyre allowed to get up, and theres a time
limit for each person to speak. But if people are
disruptive and dont allow the normal process to
go, they ask those people to leave. Everyones allowed to speak that wants to.
In this particular meeting, they set a cut-off,
that they were going to cut off at so many people
into the buildingI cant tell you what that
number wasand when they did, no one else was
allowed. Now, that had nothing to do with racial
lines. If you look at the video, the girl you
were talking about that passed out and needed
medical attention was a Caucasian female. So, I
mean, there were a lot of people there
protesting, which they certainly have a right to do.
I mean, I cant speak for the council, but I
think the council did listen to what they had to
say, they studied the process, and when it came
time to make a vote, I dont think anyone voted
along racial lines, because I dont think its a
racial issue. They voted 7-0. I mean, it
waseverybody thought it was the best thing to do
for the city, for the people, and to get the city
of New Orleans back on track.
AMY GOODMAN: Kali Akuno, it was seven-to-zero. It
was a unanimous vote. Can you talk about why you
were there, why you want to stop the demolition
of these 4,500 housing units, the four housing projects of New Orleans?
KALI AKUNO: If I can, Id like to correct one
point that Mr. Howard just made. The woman who
was tasered and who went into a seizure never
made it inside. She was outside. And she was
tasered in the back, unaware. She was one of the
hundreds of people who were trying to get inside
at that particular point and was omitted from
coming. It had nothing to do with seats being
available or anything of that nature. They made that decision to cut that off.
Now, in terms of myself being there, my interest
is basically trying toyou know, for lack of a
better term, Amystop this neoliberal destruction
that we see taking place in New Orleans and the
complete privatization of all of the different
services within the city, housing being, I think,
the most critical of them, public housing being
kind of the cornerstone of that. But theres an
affordable housing crisis in New Orleans, of
which the public housing is just one particular
element of it. Its the most critical element,
because public housing will stabilize rents in
New Orleans. And folks should know their rents
have gone up three times since the storm, and
its basically pricing, you know, working people
and African people, on the whole, out of the
city. But this is just one particular piece of this whole program.
Public hospitals are also being shut down and set
to be demolished and destroyed in New Orleans.
And theyve systematically dismantled the public
education system and beginning demolition on many
of the schools in New Orleansthats on the
agenda right nowand trying to totallyexcuse me,
totally turn that system over to a charter and a
voucher system, to privatize and just kind of
really go forward with a major experiment, which
was initially laid out by the Heritage Foundation
and other neoconservative think tanks shortly
after the storm. So this is just really the fulfillment of this program.
And I thinkyou know, I always want to call
peoples attention back to the statements that
Baker made shortly after the storm, that we
finally cleaned up public housing; you know, we
couldnt do it, but God did. This is just really
the fulfillment of that program.
AMY GOODMAN: He was a state legislator, a
Louisiana state legislator who said that.
KALI AKUNO: He was a stateyeah.
AMY GOODMAN: Let me ask Howard Robertson: why do
you think this is a good thing, the destruction
of the 4,500 units of public housing?
HOWARD ROBERTSON: Yeah, let me explain this,
because I think this is really important. Prior
to the storm, I think everyone in HUD was
attempting to close down the public housing and
build new housing prior to the storm. It had nothing to do with the storm.
And I think everyone will agree thatwe had the
St. Thomas housing project, that wasthere was
probably a murder there at least once a week.
There was somebody shot there almost every day.
Drug dealing was rampant. Half of the buildings
were boarded up. And a lot of it has nothing to
do with the residents that live there. You know,
the drug dealers come in, use the projects for a
breeding area. Now, when they tore down the St.
Thomas housing project, they builtand I say
they, I mean the government builtnew
townhouses that blend in very well with the
neighborhood. The same residents moved back in.
It was much, you know, nicer housing. Its all
clean, its all fresh, its all new, where the
old public housing was boarded up, graffiti
everywhere. It wasI just think its a higher
quality of living for everyone. And theyve done
this with two of the projects already and have made tremendous success.
I know its going to take years to get this done,
and everyone is worried about stabilizing rents,
because rents have skyrocketed since the storm.
Its hard for anybody to find a place to rent
now, without paying at least double what they did prior to the storm.
JUAN GONZALEZ: But Id like to ask Kali Akuno:
but isnt the number of low- income units that
will result from this far lower than what existed
under currently with these public housing units?
KALI AKUNO: Yes, its far lower. And to go back
to the St. Thomas example, it was falsely stated
that the same residents moved back in. Some of
the residents moved back in, but the vast
majority of them were displaced and put on
Section 8 and scattered throughout the city.
Thats the same process by which theyre
proposing now with all the developments, but
particularly with the Lafitte and the St.
Bernard, this whole notion of a mixed-income, you
know, neighborhood, which is basically just going
to scatter working-class people all throughout
the city on primarily probably Section 8
vouchers, even if those are allowed to continue in a number of different ways.
And people are having a hard time in New Orleans
right now, who are on those, finding places to
rent, because theyre basically being
discriminated. Folks dont want people who have
been stigmatized as being from public housing
there. And the same thing which is going on with
the vouchers right now. So people have vouchers,
but because of that, theyre not beingyou know,
theyre not finding places to be able to use them
or to exercise them, and not finding, you know, rental units.
So this whole mixed-income notion, you know, its
really more of a notion which is protecting other
interests, other than African and working-class
interests in the city. So it may work fine for
some folks to deal with certain aspects that they
find undesirable in the community, but its not
going to really work for the residents who are
being displaced and then, you know, really have
very few options as to where they can go,
particularly right now with the housing shortage
and the housing crisis in New Orleans.
AMY GOODMAN: Its interesting that for the first
time in the last election, the New Orleans City
Council was votedis now a majority-white City
Council. But I wanted to end with Sess4-5. You
grew up in public housing in New Orleans. What
are your plans now? It was a unanimous vote. They
say that the public housing units, as they stand
now, will be destroyed in New Orleans. What are
you planning to do as a community activist?
SESS4-5: Myself, Im going to continue to fight.
We dont honor or validate the decision made by
the City Council. We think it was illegal, and
were going to go to, you know, court and file a
lawsuit against those guys and just keep
continuing to fight. And they had a number of
people asking for, you know, a sixty-day
moratorium. You know, Nancy Pelosi, a lot of
people sent, you know, letters to the President.
You know, Obama and Edwards even stood out, you
know, on this issue. And just the whole
proceedings was illegal by locking, you know, the
people out oflocking people out from having
access to even enter the building and speak their
piece. So a lot of those things that transpired
todayyesterday were illegal. And so, we dont
honor that vote or that decision. We dont
validate that in any shape or form. And so, were
just going to continue on in using our resistance
measures and galvanizing the people and
mobilizing the people. And just like we got a lot
of national attention on it, were going to keep
pressing this issue. And its not over. Thats my
biggest pledge, is to let the people know its not over.
AMY GOODMAN: Sess4-5, I want to thank you for
being with us, a community activist; Kali Akuno,
the head of the Peoples Hurricane Fund; also,
Howard Robertson, former SWAT commander in New
Orleans. Also, special thank you to Jacquie
Soohen, Mavis Yorks, Broderick Webb and Luisa
Danta and Michael Boedigheimer of JoLu
Productions for providing us with video footage
from New Orleans, Jacquie Soohen of Big Noise
Films, and to WLAE, the Public Broadcasting in
New Orleans for hosting our guests today.
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