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</font><h1 class="gmail-reader-title">Watch a Never-Before-Aired James Baldwin Interview From 1979</h1>
<div class="gmail-credits gmail-reader-credits">Adrienne Westenfeld - June 15, 2021<br></div>
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<p>In 1979, up-and-coming television producer Joseph Lovett scored
the opportunity of a lifetime. Just a few months into his stint at <em>20/20</em>, ABC’s upstart television news magazine, Lovett was <a href="https://www.openculture.com/2021/06/watch-a-never-aired-tv-profile-of-james-baldwin-1979.html"><u>assigned</u></a> a profile of James Baldwin, pegged to the publication of Baldwin’s nineteenth book, <em>Just Above My Head</em>.
Lovett was “beyond thrilled” to tell the titanic American writer’s
story—but it’s taken until 2021 for that interview to see the light of
day. Buried by ABC at the time, the segment has resurfaced over four
decades later, revealing a unique glimpse into Baldwin’s private life—as
well as his resounding criticism about white fragility, as blisteringly
relevant today as it was in 1979. </p><p>When Lovett received the assignment, he <a href="https://www.instagram.com/tv/CFLGLZ_BsdT/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet"><u>was</u></a>
excited to meet one of his heroes: “I had been reading [Baldwin] since I
was a teenager. I thought he was brilliant and brave and speaking to
the moment of history that we were all living in. I was thrilled; I was
beyond thrilled.”</p>
<p>Lovett and his crew arrived early, woke Baldwin, shared breakfast
with him, and rolled the cameras before Baldwin, a heavy drinker, had a
chance to imbibe. “He hadn’t had a drop to drink and he was brilliant,
utterly brilliant,” Lovett said. “We couldn’t have been happier. He was
such an eloquent, masterful speaker, with such a great mind. It was such
a privilege.” </p><p>Conducted by the late Sylvia Chase, the interview
took place at 137 West 71st Street—the Manhattan apartment building
Baldwin bought for himself and his family in 1965, following the success
of his early books. It showcases rare footage of Baldwin relaxed and
gregarious at home, surrounded by a large and close-knit family. In a
private conversation with Baldwin’s mother, Emma Berdis Jones, in the
kitchen of her apartment, Chase asked if Jones always knew that Baldwin
would be a wildly successful writer; Jones responded, “I didn’t think
that. But I knew that he had to write.”</p><p>
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<p>The segment also takes viewers behind the scenes of Baldwin’s play, <em>The Amen Corner</em>;
during a rehearsal for the Lincoln Center production, Baldwin is shown
beaming as he watches the performers. The production was produced and
directed by Val Gray Ward, founder of Kuumba Theater, who is featured in
the clip along with her Kuumba cast. To see Baldwin laughing and
smiling in the thick of rehearsal is a welcome, joyful sight. Yet it’s
his words about white fragility and white fear that rise above the 1979
milieu, remaining achingly relevant all these years later. <br></p><p>“White
people go around, it seems to me, with a very carefully suppressed
terror of Black people—a tremendous uneasiness,” Baldwin said. “They
don’t know what the Black face hides. They’re sure it’s hiding
something. What it’s hiding is American history. What it’s hiding is
what white people know they have done, and what they like doing. White
people know very well one thing; it’s the only thing they have to know.
They know this; everything else, they’ll say, is a lie. They know they
would not like to be Black here. They know that, and they’re telling me
lies. They’re telling me and my children nothing but lies.” </p><div role="group" tabindex="0" aria-label="product">
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<p>The far-ranging interview was a resounding success, and Lovett was
eager to see it air. Yet as he was called away on other assignments,
including interviewing Michael Jackson, nothing came of the Baldwin
segment. When he inquired about the delay, ABC reported that it had been
scrapped, because, “Who wants to listen to a Black gay has-been?”</p><p>“I
was stunned,” Lovett said. “I was absolutely stunned, because in my
mind, James Baldwin was no has-been. He was a classic American writer,
translated into every language in the world, who would live on forever,
and indeed he has. His courage and his eloquence continue to inspire us
today.”</p><p>In a portion of the segment filmed at the Police Athletic
League’s Harlem Center, Baldwin addressed a group of student reporters,
telling one young student, “Nobody wants a writer until he’s dead.”
Uncovering this interview over forty years later, Baldwin’s unnerving
words seem frighteningly prescient. Lovett will discuss the <em>20/20 </em>segment further on June 24 at 8:00 PM, when he moderates a free virtual panel titled <em>James Baldwin: Race, Media, and Psychoanalysis</em>, featuring psychoanalysts Annie Lee Jones and Victor P. Bonfilio, as well as Aisha Karefa-Smart, Baldwin’s niece. RSVP <a href="https://us02web.zoom.us/webinar/register/WN__oU_S2WGSEW1yQkFcOBJTw?fbclid=IwAR2ltU_-UbeXuk70_07QiHyvD64HRA7Dwt3UQ0irGzsQgkrqEt_ZldarCY0"><u>here</u></a> to help Baldwin’s legacy live on.</p>
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<p><a href="https://www.esquire.com/author/2392/adrienne-westenfeld/" rel="author"> <span rel="author">Adrienne Westenfeld</span>
</a> <span>Assistant Editor</span>
<span>Adrienne Westenfeld is a writer and editor at Esquire, where she covers books and culture.</span>
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