[News] Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says

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Israeli forces shot their own civilians, kibbutz survivor says

Ali Abunimah <https://electronicintifada.net/people/ali-abunimah> and David
Sheen <https://electronicintifada.net/people/david-sheen> - 16 October 2023
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[image: Screenshot of a woman doing a TV interview]

Yasmin Porat, a survivor of the bloodshed at Kibbutz Be’eri, near the
boundary with Gaza, says many Israeli civilians were killed by Israeli
forces.

An Israeli woman who survived the Hamas assault on settlements near the
Gaza boundary on 7 October says Israeli civilians were “undoubtedly” killed
by their own security forces.

It happened when Israeli forces engaged in fierce gun battles with
Palestinian fighters in Kibbutz Be’eri and fired indiscriminately at both
the fighters and their Israeli prisoners.

“They eliminated everyone, including the hostages,” she told Israeli radio.
“There was very, very heavy crossfire” and even tank shelling.

The woman, 44-year-old mother of three Yasmin Porat, said that prior to
that, she and other civilians had been held by the Palestinians for several
hours and treated “humanely.” She had fled the nearby “Nova” rave.

A recording of her interview, from the radio program *Haboker Hazeh* (“This
Morning”) hosted by Aryeh Golan on state broadcaster Kan, has been
circulating on social media.

The interview has been translated by The Electronic Intifada. You can
listen to it with English subtitles in this video and a transcript is at
the end of this article:

Notably, the interview is not included in the online version
<https://www.kan.org.il/content/kan/kan-b/p-9969/> of *Haboker Hazeh* for
15 October, the episode in which it apparently aired.

It may well have been censored due to its explosive nature.

Porat, who is from Kabri, a settlement near the Lebanese border,
undoubtedly experienced terrible things and saw many noncombatants killed.
Her own partner, Tal Katz, is among the dead.

However, her account undermines Israel’s official story of deliberate,
wanton murder by the Palestinian fighters.

Although it no longer appears on the Kan website, there can be little doubt
about the recording’s authenticity.

At least one Hebrew-language account posted <https://archive.ph/CLHdh> part
of the interview on Twitter, now officially called X, and accused Kan of
functioning as “media in the service of Hamas.”

תקשורת בשירות החמאס:
ניצולה שמספרת שהמחבלים לא פגעו בה והרבה מאהובינו נהרגו ע"י חיילינו, מופצת
כעת ברשתות החמאס:
"השדר הישראלי, אריה גולן, ראיין עדת ראייה שנכחה בקונצרט בהתנחלות בארי.
ההתנגדות לא רצתה להרוג אותנו, אלא טיפלה בנו בצורה אתית והרגיעה את מצב הטרור
שבו חיינו"
🤬🤬🤬 pic.twitter.com/Gq2pRm5YBW <https://t.co/Gq2pRm5YBW>
— Jack Russell 🐶 (@JackRussell2022) October 15, 2023
<https://twitter.com/JackRussell2022/status/1713530285478793571?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw>

Porat also gave her account
<https://www.maariv.co.il/news/israel/Article-1043723> to the Israeli
newspaper *Maariv*.

However, the *Maariv* story, published on 9 October, makes no specific
mention of civilians being killed by Israeli forces.

And in a half-hour interview with Israel’s Channel 12 on Thursday, Porat
speaks of intense gunfire after Israeli forces arrived. Porat herself
received a bullet in the thigh.

Treated “humanely”

Not only does Porat tell Kan that Israelis were killed in the heavy
counterattack by Israeli security forces, but she says she and other
captive civilians were well treated by the Palestinian fighters.

Porat had been attending the “Nova” rave when the Hamas assault began with
missiles and motorized paragliders. She and her partner Tal Katz escaped by
car to nearby Kibbutz Be’eri where many of the events she describes in her
media interviews took place.

According to Porat speaking to *Maariv*, she and Katz initially sought
refuge in the house of a couple called Adi and Hadas Dagan. After the
Palestinian fighters found them they were all taken to another house, where
eight people were already being held captive and one person was dead.

Porat said that the wife of the dead man “told us that when they [the Hamas
fighters] tried to enter, the guy tried to prevent them from entering and
grabbed the door. They shot at the door and he was killed. They did not
execute them.”

“They did not abuse us. They treated us very humanely,” Porat explained to
a surprised Golan in the Kan radio interview.

“By that I mean they guard us,” she said. “They give us something to drink
here and there. When they see we are nervous they calm us down. It was very
frightening but no one treated us violently. Luckily nothing happened to me
like what I heard in the media.”

“They were very humane towards us,” Porat said in her Channel 12 interview.
She recalled that one Palestinian fighter who spoke Hebrew, “told me, ‘Look
at me well, were not going to kill you. We want to take you to Gaza. We are
not going to kill you. So be calm, you’re not going to die.’ Thats what he
told me, in those words.”

“I was calm because I knew nothing would happen to me,” she added.

“They told us that we would not die, that they wanted to take us to Gaza
and that the next day they would return us to the border,” Porat told
*Maariv*.

In the Channel 12 interview, Porat elaborates that although the Palestinian
fighters all had loaded weapons, she never saw them shoot captives or
threaten them with their guns.

In addition to providing the captives with drinking water, she said the
fighters let them go outside to the lawn because it was hot, especially as
the electricity was cut.
Young and scared

About eight hours after the start of the Hamas attack and about half an
hour after Porat’s calls to the police, Israeli forces arrived and chaos
ensued, Porat told Kan.

“At first there was no [Israeli] security force with us,” Porat recalled,
noting that her first call to the Israeli police went unanswered. “We were
the ones who called the police, together with the abductors because the
abductors wanted the police to arrive. Because their objective was to
kidnap us to Gaza.”

“They understand that soldiers will not kill hostages. So they want to come
out with us alive and for the police to permit it,” Porat told Channel 12.

Though the Israeli captives numbered only a dozen, Porat was instructed to
tell Israeli police that 40 of them were being held by the Hamas fighters,
who themselves numbered between 40 and 50 men mostly in their 20s, by
Porat’s estimate. They themselves were young and scared, she told Channel
12.

A fighter Porat described as a commander in his 30s asked to speak to the
police and was put on with an Arabic-speaking Israeli officer.

After their brief conversation, the four dozen or so Palestinian fighters
and their dozen Israeli prisoners awaited the arrival of the army, with
some of the group spilling outside to the garden for relief from the
afternoon heat.
Hails of bullets, mortars and tank shells

Israeli forces announced their arrival with a hail of gunfire, catching the
fighters and their Israeli captives by surprise.

“We were outside and suddenly there was a volley of bullets at us from the
[Israeli unit] YAMAM. We all started running to find cover, Porat told
Channel 12.”

Porat said she surrendered to the Israeli soldiers half an hour into the
fierce gun battle that consisted of “tens and hundreds and thousands of
bullets and mortars flying in the air,” and that one of the Palestinian
fighters, a commander, decided to surrender and used her in effect as a
human shield.

“He starts to disrobe,” Porat recalled to Kan’s Aryeh Golan. “He calls to
me and he starts to leave the house with me, under fire. At that time I
yell to the [Israeli commandos] … when they can hear me, to stop firing.”

“And then they heard me and stopped firing,” she added. “I see people from
the kibbutz on the lawn. There are five or six hostages lying on the ground
outside. Just like sheep to the slaughter, between the shooting of our
commandos and the terrorists.”

“The terrorists shot them?” Golan asks.

“No, they were killed by the crossfire,” Porat responds. “Understand there
was very, very heavy crossfire.”

Golan presses: “So our forces may have shot them?”

“Undoubtedly,” the former captive responds, and adds, “They eliminated
everyone, including the hostages because there was very, very heavy
crossfire.”

“After insane crossfire, two tank shells were shot into the house. It’s a
small kibbutz house, nothing big,” Porat explains.

Porat and the man who took her captive both survived. The Palestinian was
taken prisoner by Israeli forces. But according to Porat, almost everyone
else in the settlement was killed, wounded or missing, believed to have
been taken to Gaza.

Porat told Kan she lost dozens of friends who had been at the rave – people
she would regularly see at parties in Israel’s trance scene.

“I’m angry at the state, I’m angry at the army,” Porat told *Maariv*. “For
10 hours the kibbutz was abandoned.”

The joint American-Israeli effort to paint Hamas as worse than ISIS in
order to justify Israel’s unfolding genocide
<https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/humanity-failing-palestinians-gaza>
against the civilian population in Gaza depends on the international public
not seeing or hearing accounts like Porat’s.

Israeli leaders, already under intense criticism for failing to anticipate
and prevent the Hamas offensive, will also not want their catastrophic
failures to be compounded by knowledge that many of the Israelis who died
may well have been killed by “friendly fire” in a disastrous Israeli
counterattack.
Hannibal Directive?

Saleh al-Arouri, a senior Hamas military commander, has directly addressed
Israel’s claims that his fighters set out to deliberately kill as many
civilians as possible.

The Israeli propaganda campaign has included lurid atrocity tales
<https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/ali-abunimah/biden-lied-about-seeing-photos-beheaded-israeli-children>
– for which no evidence has been produced whatsoever – that Palestinians
beheaded dozens of Israeli babies and that women were raped.

Al-Arouri said in an interview
<https://www.aljazeera.net/news/2023/10/12/----> with Al Jazeera on
Thursday that fighters of his organization’s military force, the Qassam
Brigades, were under strict protocol to not harm civilians.

But al-Arouri said that after Israel’s Gaza division – the army unit that
surrounds the Gaza Strip – collapsed much more quickly than expected,
people in Gaza rushed to the boundary area after learning it had been
opened, causing chaos. He said this may have included other armed persons
who were not part of Qassam.

Al-Arouri said
<https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/maureen-clare-murphy/israeli-attacks-wipe-out-44-gaza-families>
that this caused Qassam fighters to engage with soldiers, settlement guards
and armed residents, which led to civilian deaths.

Al-Arouri also invoked the possibility Israel used the so-called Hannibal
Directive <https://electronicintifada.net/tags/hannibal-directive> – a
protocol that allows Israeli forces to use overwhelming force to kill one
of their own captured soldiers rather than allow them to be taken prisoner.

The rationale for the Hannibal Directive is to avoid allowing an enemy to
have captives that can be used in prisoner exchange negotiations.

However in this case, if the directive was implemented by Israeli forces,
it would have been used against civilians.

Al-Arouri told Al Jazeera, “We are certain that young men [fighters] were
bombed along with the prisoners who were with them.”

Porat’s account, among others
<https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231010-dont-worry-im-a-muslim-israeli-recounts-experience-with-hamas-fighter/>,
underscores the need for an independent investigation, one which Israel is
unlikely ever to permit.

The current propaganda narrative is simply too valuable to the genocidaires
in Tel Aviv.

*Ali Abunimah is executive director of The Electronic Intifada.*

*David Sheen is the author of* Kahanism and American Politics: The
Democratic Party’s Decades-Long Courtship of Racist Fanatics
<https://www.palestine-studies.org/en/node/1654274>.
Transcript of the Kan interview with Yasmin Porat

*Yasmin Porat:* For an hour they were banging about 10 terrorists on the
reinforced safe room. There were screams in Arabic and it was a very tense
hour. And we felt great fear thats indescribable. After an hour they
managed to break in and they removed the four of us to a nearby house where
there were already eight other additional hostages. We joined those eight
and we were about 12 hostages with 40 terrorists that were guarding us. Im
keeping the story short.

*Aryeh Golan:* Did they abuse you?

*Yasmin Porat:* They did not abuse us. They treated us very humanely,
meaning …

*Aryeh Golan:* Humanely? Really?

*Yasmin Porat:* Yes, by that I mean they guard us. They give us something
to drink here and there. When they see we are nervous, they calm us down.
It was very frightening but no one treated us violently. Luckily nothing
happened to me like what I heard in the media.

*Aryeh Golan:* Horrible, horrific things occurred.

*Yasmin Porat:* True. But after two hours briefly at first there was no
[Israeli] security force with us. We were the ones who called the police
together with the abductors because the abductors wanted the police to
arrive. Because their objective was to kidnap us to Gaza.

[SKIP OR CUT IN AUDIO]

*Yasmin Porat:* Meanwhile one of the terrorists decides to surrender, the
terrorist I made a connection with. Over the course of those two hours I
connected with some of the abductors, those that guarded the hostages.

*Aryeh Golan:* Yes

*Yasmin Porat:* And he decides to use me as a human shield. He decides to
surrender. I am not aware of it in those moments its in retrospect. He
starts to disrobe, he takes he calls to me and he starts to leave the house
with me, under fire. At that time I yelled to the YAMAM [Israeli commandos]
when we were already when they can hear me, to stop firing.

*Aryeh Golan:* Yes

*Yasmin Porat:* And then they hear me and stop firing. I see on the lawn,
in the garden of the people from the kibbutz. There are five or six
hostages lying on the ground outside, just like sheep to the slaughter,
between the shooting of our [fighters] and the terrorists.

*Aryeh Golan:* The terrorists shot them?

*Yasmin Porat:* No, they were killed by the crossfire. Understand there was
very, very heavy crossfire.

*Aryeh Golan:* So our forces may have shot them?

*Yasmin Porat:* Undoubtedly.

*Aryeh Golan:* When they tried to eliminate the abductors, Hamas?

*Yasmin Porat:* They eliminated everyone, including the hostages. Because
there was very, very heavy crossfire. I was freed at approximately 5:30.
The fighting apparently ended at 8:30. After insane crossfire, two tank
shells were shot into the house. Its a small kibbutz house, nothing big.
You saw it on the news.

*Aryeh Golan:* Yes

*Yasmin Porat:* Not a large place. And at that moment everyone was killed.
There was quiet, except for one person limping, Hadas [Dagan], in the
garden.

*Aryeh Golan:* How were they all killed?

*Yasmin Porat:* From the crossfire.

*Aryeh Golan:* Crossfire, so it could also be from our forces?

*Yasmin Porat:* Undoubtedly.

*Aryeh Golan:* Really?

*Yasmin Porat:* Thats what I believe.

*Aryeh Golan:* Oy it sounds so bad.

*Yasmin Porat:* Yes. And everyone died.

*Aryeh Golan:* And you, thanks to that terrorist who decided to give
himself up …

*Yasmin Porat:* Exactly.

*Aryeh Golan:* And you survived and all the rest were killed there.

*Yasmin Porat:* Except for one other woman who survived, they found her
later [trails off]. The person who dealt with the event checked her or
something. They found her when she lifted her head, amongst all the bodies.
And then, simply …

*Aryeh Golan:* And your partner, who was with you?

*Yasmin Porat:* Killed.

*Aryeh Golan:* He was killed too?

*Yasmin Porat:* Yes. Everyone was killed there. Just horrible.

*Aryeh Golan:* Have you returned to Kabri?

*Yasmin Porat:* I returned to Kabri and then the chaos started there.

*Aryeh Golan:* In the north?

*Yasmin Porat:* Yes. So now Im a guest. Im being hosted in a lovely way in
Kibbutz Ein Harod. And Im here for now.

*Aryeh Golan:* Youre in the [Jezreel] Valley now. Alright, Yasmin, youve
undergone a horrific experience.

*Yasmin Porat:* True.

*Aryeh Golan:* You lost your partner, you saw people killed alongside you.

*Yasmin Porat:* And I …

*Aryeh Golan:* [INTERRUPTS] What happened to that terrorist who gave
himself up?

*Yasmin Porat:* He is still arrested, and he was just called in for
interrogation to help … You know, he will be interrogated about the
accused. And sadly dozens more of my friends were killed because …

*Aryeh Golan:* [INTERRUPTS] Dozens of friends?

*Yasmin Porat:* Yes because its a community, the trance scene, we go to the
same parties. It means that besides my partner, I knew dozens and hundreds
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